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Name: claude menard
Date: 17 May 2023
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I am the Point Québec Board Président, our organisation would like to provide inputs on some issues not raised in this Initial Phase 1 report of IDN EPDP Some IDN issues are related to GeoTLDS which were part of the 2012 round. Other IDN topics are related to new GeoTLDs applicants native, first nations, Inuit or indigineous populations

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PointQUEBEC would like to express the following comments on the Phase 1 IDN EPDP report.


Several issues were not raised in this Phase I initial report.

1-   Some issues are related to GeoTLDS which were part of the 2012 round.

2-   Other topics are related to new GeoTLDs applicants in the next round.


The GeoTLD Group is a sub-group part of the GNSO. It refers to:


-      Territories, states, provinces or geographic entities described in the ISO 3166-2

-      Country capitals and cities listed in the ISO 3166-2

-      Entities part of the UNESCO geographical regions and indexes


Local languages and GeoTLDs


Like ccTLDs, most of the geoTLDs have a legal obligation to provide services to their population in the official local language(s) and/or the local recognized language (including native languages, first nations languages, and indigenous languages).


The meaningful name representation(s) of most of the geoTLDs, like ccTLDs, is governed by laws, is confirmed by toponymic regulation and official writing (script), is entrenched in historical national decrees, codification and local bylaws.


Over the years, ccTLDs have expressed the need to display their legitimate country name inside their own ccTLD spectrum in their own specific local linguistic(s) reality(ies).


The fast-track path for ccTLDs is an interim solution and a fair representation of the challenges facing the linguistic diversity in the whole world.


The program offers to ccTLDs the possibility to apply for one IDN per script or per official language (any time i.e. an ongoing open-round) as long as the requested IDN is the name of the country or the short form of the ccTLD. The price tag for each applied for IDN is 26,000 $ US.


But languages based on the latin script were not eligible for the fast-track program. We believe it’s not a matter of technology.


In the 2012 round, most of the geoTLDs applied for an ASCII geoTLD. The price tag was 185,000 US$.


Some geoTLDs then expressed in their application their intention to apply for an IDN. Unfortunately several tools, policies, technological readiness, foreseen and predictable financial figures were not in place to accommodate such a delegation.


The only realistic perspective for all intended geoTLDs applicant wishing an IDN was to wait for the next round.


In the years following the 2012 round, geoTLDs waiting for a meaningful local linguistic representation of their ASCII geoTLDs were invited to follow, participate or observe the work of their respective language, among which there is the LGR.


In 2012 there was no definition of what a variant meant. Some geoTLDS considered that the applied-for or delegated ASCII geoTLD was in fact a self-declared variant of their own local language or geographical denomination.


At the end of 2021, ç some geoTLDs realized that their local definition of a variant was quite different from what for the Latin Script Generation Panel defined as a recognized variant. Public comments were submitted regarding this issue and still as of today, geoTLDs are still waiting for an answer and a solution from ICANN.


In 2022, the ODA SUBPRO Report was silent on the overall situation of actual and future geoTLDs and their intrinsic challenge to decline their TLD in a local language.


In the same report the situation regarding their IDN for which they were unable to apply, is omitted.


The IDN EPDP should incorporate in their report specific recommandations regarding those who expressed their intention to apply for an IDN and were unable to do so.


Those recommendations should address the prioritization of the 2012 GeoTLDs ahead of all other applications.


The IDN EPDP should recommend a specific fee for the 2012 round applicants to obtain an IDN geoTLDs in the next round. The fee should be equivalent to the same fees charged to ccTLDs applying for the fast track IDN ccTLDs (26,000 US$).


Among the major challenges for national, geographical entities, there is “Universal Acceptance” communication with local residents. It means providing to a local individual a name in his local language with the local script in use. In some national or geographical regions, this conversation will take place in several official languages or scripts. The Internationalization of e-mail functions and addressing is still ad minima if not non-operational.


So even if UA is a strategic objective in the Internet sphere, the actual situation still needs to be significantly improved to achieve UA .


Nations, and geographical entities even if they have their IDN TLDs, even if IDN second-level IDN names are available, even if the content is displayed in the local languages, the challenge regarding the addressing or the EAI needs a back-up solution.


One solution is to be able to offer, in the meantime the e-mail address in ASCII at no additional cost for the end-user.


The annual ICANN fees calculated the same way as the fees for a gTLD and his variants. should be for all the variants linked to a specific geoTLD, based on cumulative domain name registrations.


The actual IDN EPDP framework envisions a single IDN applied for per geoTLD.


In a large number of geoTLDs, there is several official languages or scripts. There is also recognized languages from local communities and most of the time they are part of geographical minorities.


The next round should offer the possibility for geoTLDs to apply for one IDN per official or recognized language and script as long as the requested IDN is the meaningful name of the geoTLDs. A proportionate and cost recovery fee should apply.


Brussels and Geneva are a good examples of this situation. As capital cities, Brussels and Geneva have several official languages and each of those capital cities could be entitled to more than one IDN geoTLD since Brussels, Brüssels and Bruxelles are a meaningful representation in an official script and language (Dutch – German – French) and Genève – Geneva – Genoa – Gend (French – Romanche – Italian – German) represents the same geoTLD location.


As previously described, a similar provision exists for IDN ccTLDs i.e. ccTLDs are entitled to as many IDN TLDs per language or script as long as the applied for IDN TLDs is a meaningful representation of the ccTLDs in a particular language and script .


We submit to ICANN and IDN EPDP that if only one IDN per geoTLD is allowed in the next round, it would close the door not officially, but practically, to geoTLDs denomination for the language of minorities, indigenous, native and first nations.







Recommendations to the Phase 1 Initial Report on the Internationalized Domain Names Expedited Policy Development Process



1-   As a onetime exception for the next application round, all applications for an IDN of an existing geoTLD must receive priority in processing order ahead of all new gTLD or new geoTLD applications.


2-   The application fee should be based on a cost recovery principle. (as a bench mark, the application for an IDN based on a cost recovery is 26,000 US$ for a ccTLD)


3-   The registry fixed fee must cover the delegated geoTLD (ASCII) and the IDN, and their variants.


4-   The calculation of the fee must be based on cumulative domain name registrations of the combine geoTLD (ASCII) label, and IDN geoTLD(s) label(s) (including respective variant label(s) set(s)).


5-   We suggest that geoTLDs should be authorized to apply for an IDN per script or per official or recognized language as long as the requested IDN is the meaningful name of the geoTLD.


6-   A proportionate and cost recovery fee should be charged, accordingly.


7-   First nations, or indigenous groups native language should be provided the opportunity to apply for a geoTLD string but the onus is on the applicant who may have to wait for an indeterminate amount of time until the script of the applied for strings is integrated into the RZ LGR


 Thank you

Claude Ménard

Président Point Québec

Summary of Submission

GeoTlds like ccTLDs have a fundamental challenge and most of the time a legal obligation to offer to local population a local UA in their own official or recognized languages and script.

The submission presents the back-ground and the rationale relating to those issues. Simple solutions, already in place for some years (fast-track IDN cctld) exists and are analzed and similar recommendations are proposed for expected IDN for 2012 GeoTLDs round and next round new IDN GeoTLDS.

The actual timeline between two rounds poses a fundamental accessibility and affordability challenge for minorities inside ccTLDs and GeoTlds. What mechanisim could be proposed to a least open the door and invite in the next round those minorities and indigenous to a least fulfill an application, that could be put in motion between two rounds whenever the local communities find the means and the will to acheive the process and the IT.