[Draft] Voting Transcript of Board Meeting

1:00 p.m. PST

(Meeting convened.)

Approval of minutes

>>VINT CERF: We're going on the record now to vote on the minutes of 15 August, 7 September, and 25 (inaudible) 2006.

Let me ask if there are any amendments to be made to the minutes of those dates.

Hearing none, I will call for a vote, then.

All those in favor of adopting the minutes of those three meetings, please say "aye."

>> Aye.

>> Aye.

>> Aye.

>>VINT CERF: Are there any opposed?

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: I'm opposed, Vint. It's Susan.

>>VINT CERF: Could you -- would you care to say why you're opposed.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: We are obligated by our bylaws to operate to the maximum extent feasible in an open and transparent manner. The meeting of August 15th took place more than three months ago, and yet the minutes of it haven't been posted until now. The other minutes are also delayed.

But that's not my chief problem with these minutes.

I find them to be insufficiently informative. It's clearly feasible to produce much more detailed minutes and important to ICANN's credibility that the board do so. In my view, we are not complying with our own bylaws, and thus, on principle, I can't approve of these minutes.

Thank you, Vint.

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Thank you, Susan. That will go on the record.

Are there any other comments at this point?

>>RITA RODIN: No. But, Vint, I'd also like to oppose, and I agree with Susan's statements on the record.

It's Rita Rodin.

>>VINT CERF: Rita.

Okay. So we have two "no" votes.

Then, in that case, I think I'm going to have to go back and ask for specific votes of the board members on this one.

Raimundo, how do you vote on the minutes?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

I vote "yes." Susan votes "no."

Peter, how do you vote?


>>PETER DENGATE THRUSH: Sorry. Was that me, Vint?

>>VINT CERF: Peter, we're -- we (inaudible) roll call vote on the minutes, because there were two "no" votes and I want to make sure that we have all of this right.

>>PETER DENGATE THRUSH: Yes, I just was kicking in, I was coming in from silent mode.

I'm going to abstain. I support the comments that Susan has made generally, but I'm not sure that voting against these minutes achieves -- achieves that. So I agree with the sentiments, but I'm going to just abstain on the vote.

>>VINT CERF: Okay.

(inaudible), are you on?

Back to Joi.

>>JOICHI ITO: Oh, okay. I'm here.

I'll vote "yes." But I would like to just echo that I am sympathetic to Susan's sentiments. But I don't see that as enough reason to vote "no."

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Thank you.


>>VENI MARKOVSKI: Yes. I will vote "yes." And I join Joichi in what he just said.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Alex is not on the call.

Hualin Qian, how do you vote?

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: Vint, this is Alejandro Pisanty. I am on the call.

>>VINT CERF: You are on the call. Okay.

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: And I vote in favor.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Hualin Qian, how are you voting on this?

>>HUALIN QIAN: I vote in favor.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Njeri Rionge, are you on the call?

Rita, you voted "no"; is that right?

>>RITA RODIN: Yes, Vint.

>>VINT CERF: And, Vanda, how are you voting on the minutes?

>>VANDA SCARTEZINI: I vote in favor.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Paul Twomey?

>>PAUL TWOMEY: I vote in favor.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

And I take it Dave Wodelet is not on the call at this --

>>DAVE WODELET: Actually, I am. I just joined.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Are you voting on the minutes, yes or no?

>>DAVE WODELET: Yes, I got in time to hear Susan's comments. So I will vote "yes," but I certainly appreciate her comments.

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Thank you very much.

So the minutes pass, but we have some specific comments from some of the board members which will go into the record.

We'll go off the record now.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: Vint, before we go off the record, can we -- it's Paul -- can I just make the following statement?

>>VINT CERF: Yes, you can. Go ahead, Paul.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: This issue, which has been an ongoing issue of discussion, is one which is being -- is part of a subset in which Paul Levins is leading a review of -- on transparency and accountability. This consultation (inaudible) and expect to be able to come back with a -- through that process to the board with proposals for -- which will be considered around that general topic.

So I just want to put that on the table.

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Thank you, Paul.

But we'll go off the record.

(Off-the-record discussion.)

Sydney Business License Approval

>>VINT CERF: Let's go on the record, then. We're considering a proposition to register for a foreign business operation in Sydney so as to make more efficient the handling of our staffing and facilities in that part of the world.

It's been moved and seconded to adopt this resolution and instruct staff to proceed. So I'll ask now for a vote.

All those in favor, please say "aye."

>> Aye.

>>VINT CERF: Are there any who oppose?

Is there anyone who wishes to abstain?

(Off the record.)

>>VINT CERF: We're now off the record.

Approval of Supplement to IETF-ICANN MOU

>>VINT CERF: So let's go on the record now.

We're considering the ICANN/IANA-IETF supplemental agreement. The agreement, if the board approves, would establish a documented relationship between IANA and the IETF, servicing the needs of the IETF with regard to protocol parameters and other matters that have to come to the IANA attention as a consequence of IETF activity.

Let me ask if there is a motion to approve this proposed agreement.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: So moved. It's Susan.

>>VINT CERF: It's Susan. Thank you, Susan.

Is there a second?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you, Peter.

There's a second, a motion and a second.

Is there any further discussion of this proposal before we vote?

All right. Well, this is Vint Cerf. I would like to make one comment for the record, that this represents a substantial amount of work by both staff and the IETF and the IESG participants and represents a very important step in making concrete the relationship between ourselves and the IETF. So I think it's a very worthwhile effort.

So I'll call for a vote now.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: Can I make a public comment also before or after the vote?

>>VINT CERF: Yes, Paul. Go ahead.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: I just would like to say -- recognize this has been a substantive and in-depth discussion between representatives of the IETF and ICANN, and I would like to thank all involved for their -- for their efforts.

I'd also recognize that it's an important -- very important step in furthering the commitment on both -- both parties towards service to the Internet community, and that I also note that in public statements during hearings and at the time of the announcement of the joint partnership agreement with the United States Department of Commerce, Acting Assistant Secretary John Neuer, when asked about what future -- if it's (inaudible) important to complete that process, he pointed to the -- the memorialization for the support of the ICANN model by members of the Internet community. I think this sort of an agreement is an important step towards that sort of memorialization.

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Thank you, Paul.

Are there any other comments?

In that case, I'll call for a voice vote on this one.

All those in favor, please say "aye."

>> Aye.

>> Aye.

>>VINT CERF: Are there any objections?

Is there any abstention?

Mr. Secretary, the motion passes unanimously. Note that Rita is not on the call.

Thank you very much. I think that the IETF will be very happy with that.

Now let's --

>>BARBARA ROSEMAN: This is Barbara. Thank you very much.

>>VINT CERF: You're welcome, Barbara.

We hope that you and your colleagues will be able to meet all the SLA requirements satisfactorily.

Approval of New Registry Service by PIR - Excess Deletion Fee

>>VINT CERF: So we'll go on the record now.

We're considering a proposed excess deletion fee registry service for Public Interest Registry, PIR, which operates the dot org top-level domain. If the board approves this resolution, then we will authorize PIR to introduce a five-cent fee for excess deletions beyond a level that is proposed on the order of 99% deletions.

So let me first ask if there is a board member who will move to place this resolution on the table.


>>VINT CERF: Vanda moves.

Is there a second?

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: Veni seconds.

>>VINT CERF: Veni seconds.

Is there any further discussion of the PIR proposal?

If not, I'll call for a vote. Because I'm not absolutely sure who all is still on the call, I'll make this a roll call vote.

Raimundo, how do you vote?

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: In favor.

>>VINT CERF: I couldn't hear you, Raimundo.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: In favor.

>>VINT CERF: You said "yes"?

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: Yes. Even if it's a bad idea. But yes.

>>VINT CERF: Vint Cerf votes "yes."


>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: Vint, I vote "yes."

I'm glad to see that on the agenda for the Sao Paulo meeting, or at least being considered for the agenda for that meeting is a discussion of whether the board should request the GNSO to initiate a consensus policy process with respect to the five-day add grace period.

The initiation of such a process doesn't indicate that we think a consensus is likely to emerge, but just that we want to ask the question about whether a mandatory global policy is necessary in this area.

Thanks, Vint.

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Just as a side thought, I wonder if there are ways to get opinions without necessarily formalizing a PDP. But we can take that up at another time.

Peter, how do you vote?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Let's see. Joi Ito?


>>VINT CERF: Veni Markovski?

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I abstain, for two reasons. And I can tell at the end of the vote which are they.

>>VINT CERF: All right. Thank you.

Alex, how do you vote?

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: Vint, I will vote in favor. I think there is much good in this measure. It attends to problems that are vexing to registrants in the noncommercial space, which is the actual dot org space. This -- The practice that's going to be potentially abated is particularly damaging, because it turns to commercial use names that are -- and expectations of the users that are, essentially, noncommercial in nature. So that for this community, I think, it's particularly a favorable agreement.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you, Alex.

Hualin Qian, how do you vote?

>>HUALIN QIAN: I vote "yes."

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Rita? Oh, Rita's off the call. That's right.

Vanda, how do you vote?

>>VANDA SCARTEZINI: Yes, in favor.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Paul Twomey? Paul Twomey, how do you vote?

>>PAUL TWOMEY: Yeah, I'm voting in favor.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

And David Wodelet?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

All right. It's unanimous, with one abstention from Veni.

Veni, did you want to say on the record about your abstention?

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I think since I'm on the board of ISOC and ISOC is the owner of the PIR, so I don't want to have any, like, even remote distance allusion that there is something in my vote.

And the second is that I would like to see -- in the amendment of the dot org registry agreement to see some protection of misusage of this. I would be happy to talk to the PIR, and I will tell them what I have in mind. And I am happy to talk to the president and the general counsel about my -- my abstention on this matter. But, basically, it is that somebody may be misusing this rule and cause damages to a legitimate registrar.

>>VINT CERF: Understood. Thank you very much, Veni.

Let's go off the record now.

>>JOHN JEFFREY: Actually, Vint, before we go off the record, can I confirm who moved and seconded the last motion?

>>VINT CERF: Yes. It was moved by Vanda and seconded by Veni.

>>JOHN JEFFREY: Okay. Thank you.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: That's not consistent.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: No, it is.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: He abstained.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I think there is nothing wrong in the resolution. I am abstaining just because I am on the ISOC board. But the resolution, I felt, was okay.

>>VINT CERF: Okay. Fortunately, it doesn't affect the vote in the sense that it passed, otherwise, unanimously.

Approval of New Registry Service by NeuLevel - Bulk Transfer of Partial Portfolio

>>VINT CERF: So I'd like to go on the record.

We're considering the proposed bulk transfer partial portfolio registry service from NeuLevel. If the board approves this particular proposal, staff will be authorized to negotiate modifications as needed to the NeuLevel contracts in order to permit this service to be implemented.

Let me ask if there is a motion to place the resolution on the table.


>>VINT CERF: That was Susan?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Is there a second?

Is there a second for this resolution?

>>JOICHI ITO: Joi seconds.

>>VINT CERF: Thank you, Joi.

Is there any further discussion on this resolution before we vote?

Hearing none, I'll call for a vote.

All those in favor, please say "aye."

>> Aye.

>>VINT CERF: Are there any opposed?

Are there any abstentions?

Okay. Mr. Secretary, we've approved that resolution. So you and your -- and the staff can proceed with implementation.

Review of .TRAVEL Wildcard Proposal

>>VINT CERF: So we are on the record, considering proposal 2006-40. This is a proposed new registry service from Tralliance, who operates the dot travel top-level domain. Their proposal has to do with the use of wildcard in their top-level domain.

The evaluation by the RSTEP process technical panel has recommended to the board that there is risk, sufficient risk associated with this particular proposal that the board should not, in fact, approve it. So if you vote in favor of the motion, you will be, in fact, agreeing with the RSTEP evaluation team that we should not approve the use of wildcard in dot travel. So a "yes" vote means you do not approve the use of wildcard.

Is there a motion to place this resolution on the table?

>>STEVE CROCKER: If I could, I would.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: So moved. It's Susan again.

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: Alejandro Pisanty.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: Oh, take Alex. Take Alex.

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: I will second it.

>>VINT CERF: Alex moves and Susan seconds. Is that okay?



>>VINT CERF: Is there any further discussion?

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: Vint, will you just clarify what's going to be the "yes" and what's going to be the "no," please, again.

>>VINT CERF: Yes. Go ahead, Alex.

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: No. Could you please repeat what's going to be the --

>>VINT CERF: This is what --

>>PETER DENGATE THRUSH: Read the resolution, Vint.

>>VINT CERF: The resolution says -- the resolution says that the board agrees that the Tralliance Corporation search dot travel wildcard proposal creates a reasonable risk of a meaningful adverse effect on security and stability and directs staff to inform Tralliance that the proposal is not approved.

So if you vote "yes," you are effectively saying that you do not want to approve the use of wildcard in dot travel, at least the proposed use.


>>VINT CERF: All right. Is that clear for everyone?

All right. I will move to a vote, then. Let me take a roll call on this one.

Raimundo, how do you vote?

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: I vote "yes," which is no.

>>VINT CERF: Vint Cerf votes "yes."



>>VINT CERF: (inaudible) Peter Dengate Thrush?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Joi Ito?


>>VINT CERF: Veni Markovski?

Veni, are you on?

I'll skip over Veni right now.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: He's travelling.

>>VINT CERF: Let's see. Alex?

>>ALEJANDRO PISANTY: I vote "yes."

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Hualin Qian?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Rita is not on. That's right.



>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Paul Twomey?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

Dave Wodelet?


>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: Sorry. I voted "yes."

>>VINT CERF: Veni's on?

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: Yes. I voted "yes."

>>VINT CERF: Thank you.

So, Mr. Secretary, that's unanimous. And we've now taken care of the wildcard proposal.

(Discussion regarding MOUs of cooperation with regional and international organizations.)

(Executive session.)